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>> well, they came over a week ago and can't remember the bush era because they grew the deficits. another thing was saying capito was for the patriot act and that upset the hard core conservatives. every republican senator vot
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raging deficits, not enough revenues and we needed to cut some spending, too. we needed to make sure that people got their unemployment benefits. tip o'neill realized that he was speaker of the house. not speaker of the democrats. and he had that magic. the magic to him was 218 votes. and that's what i wish john boehner would do. because if he took a page out of tip o'neill's book, we'll be off this fiscal cliff and i compliment congressman cole for his courage in saying, you know, the president's given us 98%, essentially, of what we want. let's take it and we'll argue over the millionaires and the billionaires later. >> you know, you're probably one of the really key leading progressives in the united states senate. i've watched your heroic campaigns every six years. i'm walls in always in wonder of your ability to stick to principles and win big in the biggest state. how is this going over, the view you're taking now, which we're all in this together to some extent? it has to be a 60/40, something like that, deal. how is that going over with your colleagues
raging deficits, not enough revenues and we needed to cut some spending, too. we needed to make sure that people got their unemployment benefits. tip o'neill realized that he was speaker of the house. not speaker of the democrats. and he had that magic. the magic to him was 218 votes. and that's what i wish john boehner would do. because if he took a page out of tip o'neill's book, we'll be off this fiscal cliff and i compliment congressman cole for his courage in saying, you know, the...
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we hear from people cut the deficit, expand medicare. we get a very inconsistent set of messages from them. no, i don't feel guilty at all, and i don't feel badly. i think -- i find there's a great commitment to solving the problem, but it gets to the specifics. i was in city hall in boston 44 years ago complaining about people who wanted a swimming pool in a neighborhood and they complaining because the dump trucks were coming in and out digging out the swimming pool and it was bothering them, and i complained to an old security council. he said, hey, kid, ain't you heard the muse? everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die. i think that's what i get from too many of constituents. they want us to cut the deficit, but don't raise my taxes and don't cut this and don't cut that and expand this and expand that. we do our best, and i'm not troubled by our inability to do what some of the them want us to do, which is impossible. >> i'm a little troubled sometimes by the thoughtlessness of some people who are quick to criticize a
we hear from people cut the deficit, expand medicare. we get a very inconsistent set of messages from them. no, i don't feel guilty at all, and i don't feel badly. i think -- i find there's a great commitment to solving the problem, but it gets to the specifics. i was in city hall in boston 44 years ago complaining about people who wanted a swimming pool in a neighborhood and they complaining because the dump trucks were coming in and out digging out the swimming pool and it was bothering them,...
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revenue, revenue that you get by asking higher income earners to pay a little bit more to reduce the deficit and so the president was really clear in the campaign and i think it is really important that he take that discussion to the country now because he has said to the congress, the president said to the congress, just extend immediately all the middle class tax cuts and then we can decide what to do with folks at the higher end. again, it is important to understand the president has proposed that everybody get continued tax relief, existing tax rates, on the first $250,000 of family income, so he says let's extend that for everybody right now, but he believes we should ask higher income individuals to pay a little bit more. >> house majority leader eric cantor was on morning joe talking about the grover norquist tax pledge and whether he like other republicans would be willing to jump ship. here is his answer. >> there is a lot that has been said about this pledge and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected and re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really
revenue, revenue that you get by asking higher income earners to pay a little bit more to reduce the deficit and so the president was really clear in the campaign and i think it is really important that he take that discussion to the country now because he has said to the congress, the president said to the congress, just extend immediately all the middle class tax cuts and then we can decide what to do with folks at the higher end. again, it is important to understand the president has...
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the deficit will essentially go away. the bad side we're in a deep recession and the deficit will go away. this is an economy that can't afford to have 4% of our spending disappear just next year. we'll see a recession next year almost for sure and for certain. so that's the sense in which i think this is something to worry about. we want -- the recovery is faltering right now and we really don't need congress clubbing it over the head again, pushing us back down yet again. >> yet again. justin, thank you, sir, from the university of michigan. great to have you. >> thanks, alex. >> catch one of the key players in the fiscal cliff negotiations right here on "now" when senator patty murray joins us tomorrow at noon eastern. >>> and coming up after their romney nominee received just over a quarter of the latino vote republicans say they're ready to put up when it comes to comprehensive immigration reform. what are they doing about it? so far putting up a lot of window dressing. the display when telemundo's jose diaz-balart j
the deficit will essentially go away. the bad side we're in a deep recession and the deficit will go away. this is an economy that can't afford to have 4% of our spending disappear just next year. we'll see a recession next year almost for sure and for certain. so that's the sense in which i think this is something to worry about. we want -- the recovery is faltering right now and we really don't need congress clubbing it over the head again, pushing us back down yet again. >> yet again....
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that's significant deficit reduction and you don't have to get into all this michigas as my grandma would say about which loopholes you're going to close. when you go that route you run into the same math problem mitt romney had. there's typically not enough revenue to make up for if the upper -- >> i have seen you do the experiment with the glass and it's wonderful. most americans think washington officials will behave like spoiled children, and warren buffett took the gop to school today, quote, let's forget about the rich and ultra rich going on strike and stuffing their ample funds under their mattresses if, gasp, capital gains rates and ordinary income rates are increased. the ultra rich, including me, says mr. buffett, will forever pursue investment opportunities. so he's calling for a minimum tax on millionaires and billionaires. will republicans listen? >> well, it's a sensible way. if we're going to have a deal, we will have to see some kind of compromise. a minimum tax on people making over $1 million a year can generate a half it trillion in a ten-year scale. if you include ded
that's significant deficit reduction and you don't have to get into all this michigas as my grandma would say about which loopholes you're going to close. when you go that route you run into the same math problem mitt romney had. there's typically not enough revenue to make up for if the upper -- >> i have seen you do the experiment with the glass and it's wonderful. most americans think washington officials will behave like spoiled children, and warren buffett took the gop to school...
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let's have a responsible solution that tackles taxes, that tackles entitlements, that tackles the deficit. let's have a comprehensive approach here that is a serious approach, no more kicking the can down the road. let's do it for real this time. >> fewer contortions usually better. i think we can all agree on that. anna navarro, great to see you any time of day. >>> all right, guys, here's the score card for the no tax pledge. 238 house members and 41 senators have signed the pledge. of those, only three are actually democrats and two of those three democrats will be out of office in january. i love the holidays. and with my bankamericard cash rewards credit card, i love 'em even more. i earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. 2% on groceries. 3% on gas. automatically. no hoops to jump through. that's 1% back on... [ toy robot sounds ] 2% on pumpkin pie. and apple. 3% back on 4 trips to the airport. it's as easy as... -[ man ] 1... -[ woman ] 2... [ woman ] 3. [ male announcer ] the bankamericard cash rewards card. apply online or at a bank of america near you. >>> so the heated debate
let's have a responsible solution that tackles taxes, that tackles entitlements, that tackles the deficit. let's have a comprehensive approach here that is a serious approach, no more kicking the can down the road. let's do it for real this time. >> fewer contortions usually better. i think we can all agree on that. anna navarro, great to see you any time of day. >>> all right, guys, here's the score card for the no tax pledge. 238 house members and 41 senators have signed the...
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you know what, i hate deficits. i am a budget hawk. i'm a freak on that stuff. but you know what, we can't balance the budget next year. we can't count -- balance it. we can handle a few more years of deficits if we take care of the long-term debt. >> i agree. asking about one or two specifics. i don't have one or two specifics. because i'm not looking at medicare over the next year or two. it's the next 10, 15 years that medicare and medicaid together cripple us as a country. >> here's a few. gradually increase the medicare age. >> yeah -- >> which is what joe said. >> means testing for social security -- >> i agree. >> and by the way, means testing ought to get more focus. i think there are a lot of higher income earners who are willing to say we're willing to give up benefits. but so -- >> we talk about over time. like, for instance -- >> 10 or 15-year. >> i don't want to raise it over five years. unfair to people banking on this for 30, 40 years but need to raise retirement age. >> i'm 42. i should not, people under 45 should be asked today to make a sacrifi
you know what, i hate deficits. i am a budget hawk. i'm a freak on that stuff. but you know what, we can't balance the budget next year. we can't count -- balance it. we can handle a few more years of deficits if we take care of the long-term debt. >> i agree. asking about one or two specifics. i don't have one or two specifics. because i'm not looking at medicare over the next year or two. it's the next 10, 15 years that medicare and medicaid together cripple us as a country. >>...
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we do have a huge budget deficit. i don't think taxes should be increased on the middle class but we have an almost record percentage of total national income going to the wealthiest 1% of americans. i don't see why they should be let off the hook. why shouldn't they pay their fair share? they are paying a lower tax rate today and effective -- >> that doesn't solve the problem. >> -- in about 80 years and it will help solve the problem because that means more revenues into government. almost everybody, everybody who has looked at this issue, common sense party people, will say that you've got to have some balance between spending cuts and tax increases, particularly on the wealthy. i don't see what the problem is. we had a tax increase on the wealthy in the clinton administration, the economy did tremendously well. we had a tax cut particularly on the wealthy in the bush administration, the george w. bush administration, and very few jobs were created and the median wage started to drop, and that ended in the great re
we do have a huge budget deficit. i don't think taxes should be increased on the middle class but we have an almost record percentage of total national income going to the wealthiest 1% of americans. i don't see why they should be let off the hook. why shouldn't they pay their fair share? they are paying a lower tax rate today and effective -- >> that doesn't solve the problem. >> -- in about 80 years and it will help solve the problem because that means more revenues into...
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and that's made it impossible to reach a deficit reduction deal, until now. "the new york times" has an article in which republican after republican after republican goes on the record by name dismissing his pledge and his power. peter king says a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. but each congress is a new congress and you can't have a rule that you're never going to raise or lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out. senator of georgia said, i'm frankly not concerned about the norquist pledge. senator john mccain said fewer and fewer people are signing this "pledge." it's actually a pledge, but any way. senator coburn called it "a tortured vision of tax purity." and it did you want end there in that article. bill crystal said this. >> let's have a serious debate. don't scream and yell when one person says, it won't kill the country if we raise taxes on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer. >> a calmist at the national review wrote, as a matter of political st
and that's made it impossible to reach a deficit reduction deal, until now. "the new york times" has an article in which republican after republican after republican goes on the record by name dismissing his pledge and his power. peter king says a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. but each congress is a new congress and you can't have a rule that you're never going to raise or lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out....
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he wrote in an opinion piece this week that the president's health care reform must be included in deficit negotiations. >>> before you tell your kids a story of christmas, listen up. the pope is out with a new book, and it debunks a lot of details about jesus' birth. more on that later on this hour. >> here on the help desk we're talking about paying down debt and saving for the future. with me this hour are greg olson and carmen. greg, this question is for you. suzanne told us the more she spends on paying off her debt, the less she has to save. >> how do we balance between saving for the future and paying down some credit card debt? >> you know, those bills come in, and you see that debt, and your eyes just pop out of your head. >> it's an easy question, but i'm very glad she asked it because it's something that most people get wrong. unless you have an introductory rate or you're paying a sfwler 0% introductory rate and have the ability to transfer that in the future, low credit card debt rates are considered 12% right now. show me where you can get an investment that's going to net on
he wrote in an opinion piece this week that the president's health care reform must be included in deficit negotiations. >>> before you tell your kids a story of christmas, listen up. the pope is out with a new book, and it debunks a lot of details about jesus' birth. more on that later on this hour. >> here on the help desk we're talking about paying down debt and saving for the future. with me this hour are greg olson and carmen. greg, this question is for you. suzanne told us...
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with the president today were on top of the game, top of the issues understood the solution to the deficit plan. >> what grows jobs in america are consumers spending money. and the average person needs that $2,000 in his pocket to drive the economy. saying that tax breaks for the rich drive consumers lower down to spend is like saying you could start your car by pouring gasoline on the hood. there's no proof, there's no factual data to support it. it's completely a sham to say that. >> and he's a business owner. we need more members of congress to sound like that. if the president is trying to achieve solidarity on raising the top tax rate, these are the voices that can come through for them with that message in a big way. an owner of an automobile supply company says she supports the plan even if it means her own personal rates will go up. . >> i would have higher tax rates, but r more important and more crucial, the middle class would be spending about $3,000 more. >> harry reid kept the focus on the president's winning campaign message of letting the tax cuts expire on incomes over $250
with the president today were on top of the game, top of the issues understood the solution to the deficit plan. >> what grows jobs in america are consumers spending money. and the average person needs that $2,000 in his pocket to drive the economy. saying that tax breaks for the rich drive consumers lower down to spend is like saying you could start your car by pouring gasoline on the hood. there's no proof, there's no factual data to support it. it's completely a sham to say that....
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a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit deduction are going to be a whole lot easier. and if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. it's going to be much more difficult for us to balance our budgets and deal with our deficits because if the economy's not strong, that means more money's going out and things like unemployment insurance and less money is coming in in terms of tax receipts and it just actually makes our deficit worse. so we really need to get this right. i can only do it with the help of the american people. so tweet -- what was that again? my2k or e-mail, post it on a member of congress' facebook wall. do what it takes to communicate a sense of urgency. we don't have a lot of time. we have a few weeks to get this done. we could get it done tomorrow. now, optimistically i don't think we're going to get it done tomorrow. but i tell you, if everybody here goes out of their way to make their voices heard and spread the word to your friends and family and co-workers and neighbs, i am confident that we will get it done and we will put america on t
a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit deduction are going to be a whole lot easier. and if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. it's going to be much more difficult for us to balance our budgets and deal with our deficits because if the economy's not strong, that means more money's going out and things like unemployment insurance and less money is coming in in terms of tax receipts and it just actually makes our deficit worse. so we really need to get this right. i can...
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oh my goodness deficit deficit deficit, fix the tax code, and what are they proposing lowering their own taxes. it's a sham and they ought to be rolled out of town if people understand what they were talking about. >> if people are worried about how they're going to take care of the homeless, how schools will be able to accommodate 30 kids in the class rom how people will be able to make ends meet when unemployment disappears. they can't be here. they can't afford it. they come here and write it off in their taxes $20 million a year ceos from these corporations, and continue to spread the hysteria and--and if their plan goes through the austerity plan, they and their company and their bonuses are actually the only thing that is going to improve in this economy. >> eliot: as they have over the past couple of years. income disparity is worse and worse and incomes are going up. lloyd blankfein telling people that they people should not expect to work for 25 years and then retire for 30. i don't think he understands what social security is all about. >>> the hispanic caucus said no today
oh my goodness deficit deficit deficit, fix the tax code, and what are they proposing lowering their own taxes. it's a sham and they ought to be rolled out of town if people understand what they were talking about. >> if people are worried about how they're going to take care of the homeless, how schools will be able to accommodate 30 kids in the class rom how people will be able to make ends meet when unemployment disappears. they can't be here. they can't afford it. they come here and...
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deficit reduction. that's probably a little too much out of revenues over the short term. so let's go back to child tax credit and some middle income tax relief and that, but let's keep a substantial portion of that revenue and we don't have to the talking about stupid across the board cuts and do more targeted cutses in programs that need cutting and bolster those that need bolstering. one thing it, no one's talking about within-third of the deficit is due to high unemployment. we should be talking about investment that will put americans back to work and that takes care of a third of the deficit. if you're talking about a grand bargain, okay, revenues putting people back to work and then we'll talking about cuts. >> that's a profound point. all of a sudden we're supposed to go into this grand bargain of medicare and medicaid because we went through recession and the tax base was low because there was a lot of people unemployed for months on end and we had to invest in the economy to where we've got it
deficit reduction. that's probably a little too much out of revenues over the short term. so let's go back to child tax credit and some middle income tax relief and that, but let's keep a substantial portion of that revenue and we don't have to the talking about stupid across the board cuts and do more targeted cutses in programs that need cutting and bolster those that need bolstering. one thing it, no one's talking about within-third of the deficit is due to high unemployment. we should be...
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that begins to reduce your deficit right there. so it's win/win. >> terry, i got to say, this is music to my ears. i read your column. i really liked it. you say it's the jobs crisis that needs to be addressed right away. you say lowering unemployment is probably the single most important thing we can do to reduce the federal budget deficit over the next few years. no complaints from me. no argument there. i'm just wondering, though, where were these criticisms of president obama last year? i went through your press releases from last year. and i have them in front of me. it's domestic violence, marriage equality, war on women, richard murdoch, love your body day, abortion ban, war on women, abortion, i mean, on and on and on. i don't see anything in here that talks about the unemployment crisis. why now? >> actually, we have been talking about the unemployment crisis. i'll send you all the materials that we've put out about that previously. one of the things that we actually spent an enormous amount of time and resources on last y
that begins to reduce your deficit right there. so it's win/win. >> terry, i got to say, this is music to my ears. i read your column. i really liked it. you say it's the jobs crisis that needs to be addressed right away. you say lowering unemployment is probably the single most important thing we can do to reduce the federal budget deficit over the next few years. no complaints from me. no argument there. i'm just wondering, though, where were these criticisms of president obama last...
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that's the real deficit that we need to worry about right now. for example jeffrey is part of this group. going around talking about cutting social safety net. his predecessor from the 20s and 40s owen young talked publicly about economic equality. he actually talked about how a man could not be free unless his wages were good. unless he was secure in his future and secured his retirement. it is a very different tune. >> eliot: let's make an important point. would the gold blankfein's of the world acknowledge there was some disparities the ratio of ceo to comp that was crazy and they said we're going to pare that back. >> the compensation is out of whack. we got bailed out. we haven't been criminally prosecuted. the stock market has doubled. stock market has doubled under the obama administration. who we don't like. who we fought valiantly to try to defeat. they would have a lot more credibility if they said that. again, i made the argument that you know, whatever it is, the business of the american people, you know, used to be general motors. it
that's the real deficit that we need to worry about right now. for example jeffrey is part of this group. going around talking about cutting social safety net. his predecessor from the 20s and 40s owen young talked publicly about economic equality. he actually talked about how a man could not be free unless his wages were good. unless he was secure in his future and secured his retirement. it is a very different tune. >> eliot: let's make an important point. would the gold blankfein's of...
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we have a trillion dollar a year deficit. the math is simsimple. you need $4 trillion to keep the ratio of debt from growing. there has to be a tax element as well. you have to have more tax revenue. we could not afford the tax cuts we need to restore a piece of them. i have not been on wall street as long as warren buffet. but i agree. i was on wall street for 30 years. it didn't change my work ethic. i think people are driven by other things this is not going to change the work ethic including spending. >> let me play you both a clip today. at the end of the day, i don't want to quibble about the tax rate, but the more important thing is to imcrease the size of the wealth pie. the idea of keeping rates low and then you pay a low marginal rate of as shrinking pie i'd rather get the country on the proper footing. >> how do you get america back on a sound economic footing? butting your hats on, if you were in the room, what would the deal be? >> here is where i think this has to end up. one, recognize what we are facing is a spending problem. my fri
we have a trillion dollar a year deficit. the math is simsimple. you need $4 trillion to keep the ratio of debt from growing. there has to be a tax element as well. you have to have more tax revenue. we could not afford the tax cuts we need to restore a piece of them. i have not been on wall street as long as warren buffet. but i agree. i was on wall street for 30 years. it didn't change my work ethic. i think people are driven by other things this is not going to change the work ethic...
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that's about 40% of the $4 trillion deficit goal that we have. that's the same thing that simpson-bowles had, 40% revenue. so the only way you can reach that, incidentally, is to allow the rates to go up. just this idea of we're going to take a look at the tax code, change some credits and deductions, you can't come up with enough money. >> so any deal will have to include at least some hike in the tax rate. >> i don't think there's any other way to approach it. that's why the president has taken this position. if we're going to make sure, for example, that we spare families making $250,000 a year or less from any income tax increase, then this idea that we're going to go into the tax code and find $1.6 trillion over ten years becomes almost impossible. we need to protect those middle income families. >> you said today that congress should deal with the fiscal cliff crisis now, but tackle entitlements, the entitlement questions, later. yesterday, senator lamar alexander said the only thing the president has to do to get an agreement from republic
that's about 40% of the $4 trillion deficit goal that we have. that's the same thing that simpson-bowles had, 40% revenue. so the only way you can reach that, incidentally, is to allow the rates to go up. just this idea of we're going to take a look at the tax code, change some credits and deductions, you can't come up with enough money. >> so any deal will have to include at least some hike in the tax rate. >> i don't think there's any other way to approach it. that's why the...
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as a matter of deficit negotiations, i think boehner is not on strong footing. >> interesting. there are a lot of problems with obama care. i think obama would be the first person to acknowledge that. he didn't get a lot of things he wanted in there. but david frum, what is john boehner doing? what is he possibly trying to gain from this? >> okay, i'm going with your crazy luke a fox option. >> good. >> john baner is about to have to bring the more conservative part of his caucus, some very bad news. republicans don't have a wlost leverage. tax cuts expire whether without anybody doing anything. and republicans are going to end up yielding a lot more than they give -- than they get in the negotiations. and john boehner, as the chief negotiator is the man identified with that surrender. so he needs to put down a marker now that says to the right wheel of the caucus, hey, i'm with you. if it were up to me, 100%. i'm with you. and i am going to put it in writing. i'm completely in favor of doing all the things that would have happened if we won the election. however, we didn't win
as a matter of deficit negotiations, i think boehner is not on strong footing. >> interesting. there are a lot of problems with obama care. i think obama would be the first person to acknowledge that. he didn't get a lot of things he wanted in there. but david frum, what is john boehner doing? what is he possibly trying to gain from this? >> okay, i'm going with your crazy luke a fox option. >> good. >> john baner is about to have to bring the more conservative part of...
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he warned against large federal deficits and was a fierce critic of the reagan administration in the 1980s iran-contra affair. >> the american people have the constitutional right to be wr g wrong. and what ronald reagan thinks or what oliver north thinks or what i think or what anyone else thinks makes not a whip if the american people say enough. there comes a point that the views of the american people have to be heard. >> the new hampshire senator didn't seek re-election in 1992. later saying "i can see the republican party gradually being taken over by movement conservatives and self-commissioned christian soldiers whose social agenda i found repugnant." warren rudman was 80. >>> as the president considers his cabinet for a second term, the "wall street journal" reports eric holder will likely stay on, at least for the start of the new administration. holder clashed with congress for refusing to turn over certain documents in the fast and furious gun trafficking scandal. he had been the first sitting attorney general to be found in contempt of the house of representatives and he
he warned against large federal deficits and was a fierce critic of the reagan administration in the 1980s iran-contra affair. >> the american people have the constitutional right to be wr g wrong. and what ronald reagan thinks or what oliver north thinks or what i think or what anyone else thinks makes not a whip if the american people say enough. there comes a point that the views of the american people have to be heard. >> the new hampshire senator didn't seek re-election in...
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how is he going to close the other part of that deficit? you know, his proposal right now, the most he can say would raise would be about $68 billion when our deficit last year was $90 billion. what is the president's plan for closing the additional additional $1 trillion worth of deficit? i think that's incumbent on the president to put forward his plan. >> from your standpoint alone, there's no way you see fit in the coming 35 days that you would break that pledge with glove norquist. >> well, thomas, let's use a couple numbers here. even with this measly economic growth we've seen the last three years, revenue at the federal government has increased $344 billion per year. if we just return to a normal economy that returns about 18.5%, that would increase revenue an additional over $400 billion per year, that's $750 billion of revenue per year through economic growth. and the president, his proposal would raise 1/10 of that but would put at risk the economic growth and that $750 billion. so -- >> sir, with all due respect, though -- >> co
how is he going to close the other part of that deficit? you know, his proposal right now, the most he can say would raise would be about $68 billion when our deficit last year was $90 billion. what is the president's plan for closing the additional additional $1 trillion worth of deficit? i think that's incumbent on the president to put forward his plan. >> from your standpoint alone, there's no way you see fit in the coming 35 days that you would break that pledge with glove norquist....
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as you know, we have a trillion dollar annual deficit and this would not close that gap at all. so the president needs to come up with a plan and for better or worse going to require leadership. no member of the senate or the house is going to be able to do this, this is something the president has to do by himself and he can't do it on the campaign trail. >> let me ask you this because you wrote an op-ed today and you wrote about divided government about the deal. you said divided government means that neither democrats nor republicans will be able to pass legislation along strictly partisan lines. we cannot tax our way back to budget surpluses and economic prosperity without major spending cuts and entitle 347b9 reforms we will continue running a huge deficit regardless of what anyone does on either side. for every dollar of revenue you give him, he'll give you $2.50 of spending cuts. if he gave you that on spending cuts, it would be 8$850 billon year would you do that? >> the president has said a lot of things, but what counts is what he's willing to put on the table and so f
as you know, we have a trillion dollar annual deficit and this would not close that gap at all. so the president needs to come up with a plan and for better or worse going to require leadership. no member of the senate or the house is going to be able to do this, this is something the president has to do by himself and he can't do it on the campaign trail. >> let me ask you this because you wrote an op-ed today and you wrote about divided government about the deal. you said divided...
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the president's message >>> if we get this part of it right, a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction are going to be a whole lot easier. if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. we don't have a lot of time here. we have a few weeks to get this thing done. we could get it done tomorrow. optimistically, i don't think we are going to get it done tomorrow. >> the white house is using all social media resources to get the message out and put pressure on the republicans. >> today, i'm asking congress to listen to the people who sent us here to serve. i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voice heard. tell members of congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you. call your members of congress, write them an e-mail, post it on their facebook walls. you can tweet it using the hash tag my 2 k, not y2 k. >> the president was laughing about you the strategy, seriously effective. the my2k was one of the top trends on twitter all day long. republicans aren't too happy. they are getting outflanked. >> if the president wants to reach an agreement, he n
the president's message >>> if we get this part of it right, a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction are going to be a whole lot easier. if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. we don't have a lot of time here. we have a few weeks to get this thing done. we could get it done tomorrow. optimistically, i don't think we are going to get it done tomorrow. >> the white house is using all social media resources to get the message out and put pressure on...
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the president has on on the table a proposal that reduces the deficit by $4 trillion. that is substance. so he has not waited for people to start smelling the jet fumes at national airport. he has actively put forward a plan. >> top republicans are saying president obama should be spending less time politicking out in the public and more time working behind closed doors in washington to try to hammer out a deal. >> rather than sitting down with lawmakers of both parties and working out an agreement, he's back on the campaign trail presumably with the same old talking points that we're quite familiar with. look, we already know the president's a very good campaigner. we congratulate him on his reelection. what we don't know is whether he has the leadership qualities necessary to lead his party to a bipartisan agreement. >> and at least one top republican is now pushing members of his party to can you tell a deal with the president right now. tom cole of oklahoma urged fellow members to accept a plan tell a deal with the president right now. tom cole of oklahoma urged fe
the president has on on the table a proposal that reduces the deficit by $4 trillion. that is substance. so he has not waited for people to start smelling the jet fumes at national airport. he has actively put forward a plan. >> top republicans are saying president obama should be spending less time politicking out in the public and more time working behind closed doors in washington to try to hammer out a deal. >> rather than sitting down with lawmakers of both parties and working...
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it doesn't make a lot of sense to get rid of a deficit reduction program, as part of a deficit reduction deal. the white house already rejected boehner's idea. obama care will not be part of debt negotiations. boehner is up to something here, don't you think? something else, that is. if you watch john boehner closely over the last two weeks, you can see him laying the ground work for the latest ploy. he call eed obama care the law the land, but also tried to link it to obama care and the budget. >> you had said, next year, that you would repeal the health care vote. that's still your mission? >> well, i think the election changes that. it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected. obama care is the law of the land. i think there are parts of the health care law that are going to be very difficult to implement. and very expensive. and at a time where we're trying to find a way to create a toward a balanced budget, everything has to be on the table. >> but you won't be spending the time next year, trying to repeal obama care? >> there are certainly may be parts of it that we believe
it doesn't make a lot of sense to get rid of a deficit reduction program, as part of a deficit reduction deal. the white house already rejected boehner's idea. obama care will not be part of debt negotiations. boehner is up to something here, don't you think? something else, that is. if you watch john boehner closely over the last two weeks, you can see him laying the ground work for the latest ploy. he call eed obama care the law the land, but also tried to link it to obama care and the...
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duke comes back from a double digit deficit to win this one. that's the third win already this season over a top five team. very impressive. >>> now to college football. lsu's les miles ended speculation he would become the next head coach at arkansas. by agreeing to a seven-year contract that will keep him in baton rouge through 2019. that's leverage move there, les. "the washington post" reports that the new deal will pay miles in the range of $3.4 million a year, that is an increase. miles' extension from lsu still falls short of the five-year 27 had the $5 million deal offered by the razorbacks. his agreement with the tigers still makes him the fourth highest paid coach in college football only behind this list. nick saban, mack brown and bob stoops. miles, by the way, has a record 85 wins and 20 losses in eight seasons with lsu. >>> coming up at the top of the hour on "morning joe," no, they're not letting me do that, today mitt romney lunches at the white house as he and president obama sit down for the first time after the election. we'l
duke comes back from a double digit deficit to win this one. that's the third win already this season over a top five team. very impressive. >>> now to college football. lsu's les miles ended speculation he would become the next head coach at arkansas. by agreeing to a seven-year contract that will keep him in baton rouge through 2019. that's leverage move there, les. "the washington post" reports that the new deal will pay miles in the range of $3.4 million a year, that is...
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we can't afford to run 1.2 to $1.5 trillion deficits every year. and we can't afford to bring obama care on to the books, because we know it has already doubled in its predicted cost. it was -- >> congresswoman, forgive me for cutting you off. but final question, yes or no, you think you'll be on the hill come christmas talking about this? >> oh, no, no. i think what you're going to do is see us find a way to move the bulk of this, to get past the fiscal cliff to address that, and then to have a good discussion. i'm pleased to welcome the president, the democrats to the discussion. this is something some of us have been trying to get done for many years. and i'm delighted to see that they're finally putting their attention on it. we have to get the fiscal house in order. >> thank you so much. live for me on the hill today, appreciate it. >>> today, business titans. tomorrow, the business guy trying to take his job. that's right, president obama and mitt romney will be meeting at the white house for lunch in the private dining room, no, no. no camer
we can't afford to run 1.2 to $1.5 trillion deficits every year. and we can't afford to bring obama care on to the books, because we know it has already doubled in its predicted cost. it was -- >> congresswoman, forgive me for cutting you off. but final question, yes or no, you think you'll be on the hill come christmas talking about this? >> oh, no, no. i think what you're going to do is see us find a way to move the bulk of this, to get past the fiscal cliff to address that, and...
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are also going to have to step up here and do some tough things, and the notion that somehow these deficits and our debt are not a threat to our national security and economic future is something i could not disagree with more strongly. there are some commentators on the left that suggest that. >> cenk: it's threat to national security. look, i want to balance the budget, right, but it's not a threat to national security. if oh, my god what if the interest rates go up, but they're at record lows. this is just fear mongering. it's republican talking points. and then second of all you're setting up a straw man. nobody's saying don't balance the budget. the question is how how do you balance it? they always send out a straw man, oh, well, see that commentators on the left don't want to compromise. they do want to. the question is what's in the compromise. the if you notice, the most important thing he said there they're going to have to go after entitlement programs. >> i think what we need to do and the president believes let's go for the big deal, for a 10-20 year period for the first time i
are also going to have to step up here and do some tough things, and the notion that somehow these deficits and our debt are not a threat to our national security and economic future is something i could not disagree with more strongly. there are some commentators on the left that suggest that. >> cenk: it's threat to national security. look, i want to balance the budget, right, but it's not a threat to national security. if oh, my god what if the interest rates go up, but they're at...
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we want deficit reduction that is big, bold, but balanced. as long as more republicans can agree with us on that we're willing to compromise with them and meet them halfway. >> sir, real quickly while i have you, it was announced in the last hour that the president is going to be hosting mitt romney for a private luncheon at the white house tomorrow. your reaction to that in light of that campaign finance call to supporters of mitt romney where he disbasically doubled down on the 47% remark? >> i think it's important for the president to reach out to as many people as possible. i didn't agree with mitt romney on much but some ideas he had were intriguing. i'm glad the president is reaching out to him and unifying america. we all need to stand behind the middle class and see where we can agree and act on that agreement. >> steve israel, great to have you on with us this morning. >> thanks. >> we have more heavy hitters coming up on the fiscal cliff on msnbc throughout the next day. next hour on "now" with alex wagner, she'll speak with senator
we want deficit reduction that is big, bold, but balanced. as long as more republicans can agree with us on that we're willing to compromise with them and meet them halfway. >> sir, real quickly while i have you, it was announced in the last hour that the president is going to be hosting mitt romney for a private luncheon at the white house tomorrow. your reaction to that in light of that campaign finance call to supporters of mitt romney where he disbasically doubled down on the 47%...
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they don't believe that social security is a driver of the deficit. on the other hand, you ended up seeing where -- how do you end up tweaking medicare? do you raise the eligibility age? new poll by "the washington post"/abc showed that two thirds of americans oppose raising the eligibility age for medicare and that could be something that could be discussed as would be, you know, maybe means testing and other things and again we don't know the details but what the white house is wanting to say, look, we're open to some adjustments on entitlements where republicans want to hear what are the details? >> that's interesting, the new poll you brought up. most of the people in that poll not wanting to see the eligibility age change and in the same poll the majority wanted to see taxes increase for people who make over $250,000. a lot of times we saw the lawmakers use polls to their benefit and this is an interesting storyline from those, too. >> politically, right now, when you look broadly, measuring the public, it does seem to be easier to raise taxes on
they don't believe that social security is a driver of the deficit. on the other hand, you ended up seeing where -- how do you end up tweaking medicare? do you raise the eligibility age? new poll by "the washington post"/abc showed that two thirds of americans oppose raising the eligibility age for medicare and that could be something that could be discussed as would be, you know, maybe means testing and other things and again we don't know the details but what the white house is...
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social security didn't cause the deficit. we don't need to cut social security to solve the problem. >> congressman defazio and a few others say let's go over the cliff if it means touching social security. what do you say? >> we should avoid going over the cliff, and the keys to the car are in the republicans' hands with respect to this tax issue. with respect to social security, i agree with what the president has said and what peter defazio said. social security is not part of the deficit and debt problem. we're not going to raid social security in order to balance other parts of the budget. as the president has said, you can deal with social security and try to strengthien it on yor own terms. with respect to health care, what we've said is we opposed the republican approach, which is simply to transfer rising health care costs onto the backs of seniors. what we should do and can do is build on the affordable care act where we found savings within the health care system by changes the incentive structures, by modernizing
social security didn't cause the deficit. we don't need to cut social security to solve the problem. >> congressman defazio and a few others say let's go over the cliff if it means touching social security. what do you say? >> we should avoid going over the cliff, and the keys to the car are in the republicans' hands with respect to this tax issue. with respect to social security, i agree with what the president has said and what peter defazio said. social security is not part of...
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all likelihood, taxes are probably going to have to go up across the board simply to deal with the deficit and everything else out there, so if you're a democrat, are you happy or unhappy because once that train starts rolling, it could hit l middle class, which the democrats warn they won't touch. >> i mean, i'm definitely happy about it. it's thanksgiving and i'm very thankful right now for millions of americans who came out on november 6th and declared loudly that the tax reform in particular making especially the highest income americans, you know, actually paying their fair share of taxes. that that's a priority and something that should be pursued in context of the fiscal cliff. the train is rolling and i think it's nice to see even some republicans now eventually realizing that taxes in particular tax fairness, does need to be a substantial part of this fiscal debate. >> but you just skated around my question, which is that if you're going to have real tax reform, almost every economist says the middle class is going to pay more, too. how are democrats going to handle that? >> i thi
all likelihood, taxes are probably going to have to go up across the board simply to deal with the deficit and everything else out there, so if you're a democrat, are you happy or unhappy because once that train starts rolling, it could hit l middle class, which the democrats warn they won't touch. >> i mean, i'm definitely happy about it. it's thanksgiving and i'm very thankful right now for millions of americans who came out on november 6th and declared loudly that the tax reform in...
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when somebody stops inevitably mattering about the fiscal cliff and the sky rocketing deficit, they don't know what they're talking about and they probably don't know it is wrong but you i am glad to know other people bring charts to thanksgiving dinner. >> we're preparing them so america can do that. awesome. thanks. >> have a great thanksgiving. >> you, too. you know what i am thankful for this thanksgiving? i am thankful elections, they have consequences. >> the time for bickering is over. the time for games has passed. now is the time to deliver on health care. >> have you read the bill? hell, no, you haven't. >> the supreme court has upheld president obama's health care law. >> the health care law. >> the signature achievement of barack obama's presidency. >> now they're trying to drag it into the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. >> we have a new message from congressman boehner. >> we can't afford it, we can't afford it and we can't afford to leave it in tact. that's not a new message. >> can you say it was done openly? >> that is not a new message. >> they have been defeated thr
when somebody stops inevitably mattering about the fiscal cliff and the sky rocketing deficit, they don't know what they're talking about and they probably don't know it is wrong but you i am glad to know other people bring charts to thanksgiving dinner. >> we're preparing them so america can do that. awesome. thanks. >> have a great thanksgiving. >> you, too. you know what i am thankful for this thanksgiving? i am thankful elections, they have consequences. >> the time...
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howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if it happens. >> well, i was going to get to that point. the fiscal cliff itself, howard is right, it's a slope. on day one the economy does not collapse and go into recession. but i worry a lot about the markets. the market reaction to going over the cliff, particularly if we go over the cliff in disarray where there's really no plan. everything's broken down. nobody knows where anybody is. i think that could be pretty ugly in the markets. having said that, my own view is, that going over the fiscal cliff is only the second worst thing that can happen. the worst thing that can happen would be for congress to simply kick the can down the road on everything. >> that's exactly right. >> extend all the taxes, extend all the spending, let life go merrily on the way it is. we cannot let that happen. it is time to address the deficit. and if going over the
howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if it happens. >> well, i was going to get to that point. the fiscal cliff itself, howard is right, it's a slope. on day one the economy does not collapse and go into recession. but i worry a lot about the markets. the market reaction to going over the cliff, particularly if we go over the cliff in disarray where...
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we have talked for a number of years now about the challenges we have in terms of the debt and deficit. but we are not talked about the investments that are needed in this country that will help make us stronger in the future. whether we're talking about education or job training or investment in our infrastructure or providing the services for our veterans when they come home or those kinds of things that we can't just continue to talk about cutting government. we have to have a country that actually is strong in the underpinnings and that is a balanced approach that i think we need to be taking. >> before we go, i swrus want to turn to one other piece of senate business, this oddity of susan rice. it's just a simple question about john mccain and lindsey graham and john mccain and lindsey graham, do you think they are crazy and you can answer yes or maybe. >> what i believe is that susan rice is an incredible person with a great deal of intelligence and integrity and n ought to be taken r for her word. i think it's really unfortunate for her. >> i don't think senators are crazy in my
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what house speaker boehner said demanding that the president's health care law be on the table in the deficit talks, although didn't he tell diane sawyer it was the land of the law? anyway, the cincinnati enquirer saying we can't afford it and can't afford to leave it intack. so, keith, are we -- i mean, is this the same version repeat the first, whatever that is? you know, same old, same old. he told diane sawyer straight to her eyes this is the law of the land. >> i guess the tea party people got to him. there's a story that they called election night and neither one came to answer the phone and reportedly they were asleep. i think they actually were asleep because apparently they slept through the fact we had an election and they lost. they still think that they're going to repeal obama care and john boehner, if he seriously thinks it's up for negotiations in this fiscal cliff talks has to be crazy. out of his mind if president obama or democrats have a reason to give up on something that the american people approved. it is just not going to happen. they need to move on. >> zachary, one th
what house speaker boehner said demanding that the president's health care law be on the table in the deficit talks, although didn't he tell diane sawyer it was the land of the law? anyway, the cincinnati enquirer saying we can't afford it and can't afford to leave it intack. so, keith, are we -- i mean, is this the same version repeat the first, whatever that is? you know, same old, same old. he told diane sawyer straight to her eyes this is the law of the land. >> i guess the tea party...
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there have been 18 debt and deficit commissions since 1980. >> so you're saying they came up with spending cuts that satisfied you, you would -- >> i would go to the clinton tax rates in a heartbeat if we got clinton's gdp spending rates. >> well, one of the things i think liberals are starting to resent also, wolf, is that we are fighting so hard over this sort of modest issue of tax cuts for the wealthy. and people are completely dismissive about how devastating really entitlement cuts in medicaid would be, cuts for daycare and teacher spending and other things. >> we can't solve the problem -- >> we're starting to feel a little ant si about as this ends up being only about tax cuts. >> we just heard from senator thune, number three republican in the senate. erick, let me goat your thought, he says punt right now. kick the ball down six months or a year, deal with entitlement reform next year in a thoughtful way. deal with tax reform thoughtful in a new senate in the new house of representatives, but just go ahead right now and avoid the fiscal cliff, keep everything as is right now for
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the whole tea party movement began as a principled protest against deficits and debt. people saying it was generational theft. the problem is if you start elevating the anti-tax pledge, that anti-tax absolutism, ahead of making a deal on deficit and debt, you're not going to get anywhere. only way you pay it down is if you agree we have to raise revenues. you can make an argument that the tea party movement should get behind a grand bargain, a deficit and debt deal, if they're serious about what they see and what they said was an existential threat to our country. we need to disenthrall ourselves from the extreme voices who choked off reasonable debate in washington. >> don't fear the grover. best quote of the day. john avalon, always a pressure. thank you for coming on. >>> looming fiscal cliff you're hearing so much about is one reason republicans are having a change of heart on this whole no tax pledge. the term fiscal cliff evokes scary imagery, but it is not so much a cliff as it is a set of stairs with the spending cuts and tax hikes getting more painful with eac
the whole tea party movement began as a principled protest against deficits and debt. people saying it was generational theft. the problem is if you start elevating the anti-tax pledge, that anti-tax absolutism, ahead of making a deal on deficit and debt, you're not going to get anywhere. only way you pay it down is if you agree we have to raise revenues. you can make an argument that the tea party movement should get behind a grand bargain, a deficit and debt deal, if they're serious about...
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we have a big budget deficit out there. somebody has got to pay more taxes and some spending has got to be cut. if it's not the wealthy paying more taxes and these are wealthy, remember, who in living memory have never taken home a larger share of total income and wealth in living memory, have never paid an effective tax rate that's as on their breath and income, these are the wealthy who are putting over something on everybody else. if they don't pay more, everybody else has to pay more. >> eliot: somebody's gotta pay it. i think the affirmative shift here is that the deal that the president offered last summer that was rejected by speaker boehner had a ratio of 10-1 cuts to revenue. the republicans said no way. we're not doing that. now we're essentially talking about something that's 2-1 and the republicans are acknowledging the revenue has to be raised. that's a sea change. >> that's progress. progress comes directly out of something called an election. >> eliot: that's right. those are good things, we think. >> undoubt
we have a big budget deficit out there. somebody has got to pay more taxes and some spending has got to be cut. if it's not the wealthy paying more taxes and these are wealthy, remember, who in living memory have never taken home a larger share of total income and wealth in living memory, have never paid an effective tax rate that's as on their breath and income, these are the wealthy who are putting over something on everybody else. if they don't pay more, everybody else has to pay more....
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he has a lot of credibility on deficit reduction. while he said medicare and medicaid changes in those programs should not be part of the first step, the democrats have to look at that down the road in order to be constructive on deficit reduction. this is a senator, liberal democrat, part of the gang of six, somebody with a lot of credibility on deficit issues. i think that opens the door a little bit. you're seeing it on the democratic side. you're seeing it a little bit on the republican side. >> both sides are going to have to open the door more than just a little bit. they're going to have to make a deal. >> because the one mandate from the public was fix things. >> fix it. and do it quick. gloria, thank you. cnn's getting exclusive new information and photographs of paula broadwell, her affair with jen david petraeus forced him to leave the cia. now her friends are coming to her defense. >>> and a 7-year-old cancer patient tries a controversial treatment. medical marijuana. our dr. sanjay gupta will report. [ male announcer ] w
he has a lot of credibility on deficit reduction. while he said medicare and medicaid changes in those programs should not be part of the first step, the democrats have to look at that down the road in order to be constructive on deficit reduction. this is a senator, liberal democrat, part of the gang of six, somebody with a lot of credibility on deficit issues. i think that opens the door a little bit. you're seeing it on the democratic side. you're seeing it a little bit on the republican...
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they've been working to develop a deficit reduction plan. let me just ask you how you feel right now. 11 days since the president's met with congressional leaders face-to-face, do you think there needs to be more meetings like that right now? >> well, i think the president is doing the right thing. he's got to make the case to congress and the american people. not only of the dire consequences if we go over the cliff, but actually the tremendous upside. and one of the things we don't focus on enough, if we get a real deal, the amount of private capital that will come off the sidelines, invest in this country, we look pretty darn good compared to the faltering economy in europe, the slowdown in china. you know, this could actually be the biggest job generator of anything that's been talked about recently. >> one thing i'm confused by and maybe concerned by also, though, is something that you know well. that the outlines of a deal are pretty clear. there are different options, there are choices, there are tweaks around the edge, but the outlin
they've been working to develop a deficit reduction plan. let me just ask you how you feel right now. 11 days since the president's met with congressional leaders face-to-face, do you think there needs to be more meetings like that right now? >> well, i think the president is doing the right thing. he's got to make the case to congress and the american people. not only of the dire consequences if we go over the cliff, but actually the tremendous upside. and one of the things we don't...